[Updated] XP SP3 Update Pack 02.10-01

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Post by redxii » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:41 am

Outbreaker wrote: KB892130 (WGA - This update is needed to access the Windows Update Center)
Never.

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Post by GK » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:44 am

Out of curiosity why would you put beta software in your pack (Flash 10)

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Post by Outbreaker » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:30 am

redxii wrote:
Outbreaker wrote: KB892130 (WGA - This update is needed to access the Windows Update Center)
Never.
(Windows Genuine Advantage Validation) is not the same as the (Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications) Ther is no point to not included the KB892130 it must be installed to access WU or MU.

I would also not include the Flash beta version. ;)

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Post by Stimpy » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:44 am

Thanks for keeping this updated redxii. :D

At least KB951830 and KB952287 do seem quite urgent. I have no idea just how many other updates should be added though :)

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Post by kal » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:28 am

Hi redxii!

Thanks a lot for your update pack. May I use it to make a french translation and post it in french subforum?

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Post by GK » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:34 am

After some testing flash 10 has some bugs in it that 9 does not have, it would be wise to not use beta software or just make it a separate addon. I do have a request that you add KB951830 (DNS resolve Fix), But other than that your pack is great so keep up the good work

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Post by redxii » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:47 pm

Outbreaker wrote:
redxii wrote:
Outbreaker wrote: KB892130 (WGA - This update is needed to access the Windows Update Center)
Never.
(Windows Genuine Advantage Validation) is not the same as the (Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications) Ther is no point to not included the KB892130 it must be installed to access WU or MU.
I know it's not the same but I'm still not including it. I'm sure Ryan isn't either unless he's changed his mind on that.

I haven't had any problems with Flash 10. Including Flash 10 beta is no different than including untested QFE hotfixes, including untested kernel drivers or the kernel itself. Flash can be uninstalled though: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flas ... ml#install

Speaking of QFE, If I include even one then it will no longer be a Windows Update listed update pack, and I have to go back and redo the others to QFE. WI 4.5 will eventually be required for WU like 3.1 was. KB951830 applies to ICS, is it really that big of a problem?

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Post by GK » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:54 pm

Well i dont know how you test flash other than just viewing a flash file on a website but I work with it, i'll give one of many examples of how it buggerd just go to newgrounds.com view any flash and let it play and just scroll down and it will lockup

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Post by Stimpy » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:01 pm

I know of at least 2 of my friends that use ICS on computers that feed other computers around their homes, so KB951830 is something I personally would appreciate the inclusion of. :)

I know not everybody uses ICS for practical reasons, as well as network layout reasons, but some people do still use it, honest! :wink:

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Post by crashfly » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:13 pm

Stimpy wrote:I know of at least 2 of my friends that use ICS on computers that feed other computers around their homes, so KB951830 is something I personally would appreciate the inclusion of. :)

I know not everybody uses ICS for practical reasons, as well as network layout reasons, but some people do still use it, honest! :wink:
One of two ways KB951830 can be handled.
1. Direct integration with nlite.
2. Use of RunOnce (or RunOnceEx) after install.

If using option two, I have used this line in my installation (now I directly integrate):

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REG ADD %KEY%\030 /VE /D "Windows Hotfixes" /f
REG ADD %KEY%\030 /V 2 /D "%CDROM%\install\kb951830.exe /quiet /norestart /nobackup" /f
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MSI

Post by jesscurt » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:52 pm

After installing this new updated pach, it seems to have broken my SVCPACK installs.

i get alot of MSI errors in the logs.
anyone have this problem?

Please help.

Thanks

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Post by crashfly » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:56 pm

Hmmm ... I am not sure here, but either some things got broke with this latest update, or something just did not get installed on my test box.

The following updates are required by windows update:
KB942763 - Update for XP (Timezone appearantly)
KB890830 - MSRT (May 2008)
KB923789 - Security Update for Flash Player
Root Certificates (May 2008)

I will test again, but something seems squirrelly there.

Edit: Confirmed with the latest particular install CD I created. I will recreate just in case something got messed up. Windows update also wanted to install what it considered the latest package installer (v6.something). FYI
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Re: MSI

Post by redxii » Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:19 am

jesscurt wrote:i get alot of MSI errors in the logs.
Such as?

I don't have any problems. I even integrated 2.1.2 over 2.1.1. No Windows Installer errors, I even went through the trouble of trying some apps like Adobe PDF reader or Google Earth and even the Group Policy settings work, and even the mui file works correctly (for English anyway).

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Post by mindwarper » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:42 am

crashfly wrote:Hmmm ... I am not sure here, but either some things got broke with this latest update, or something just did not get installed on my test box.

The following updates are required by windows update:
KB942763 - Update for XP (Timezone appearantly)
KB890830 - MSRT (May 2008)
KB923789 - Security Update for Flash Player
Root Certificates (May 2008)

I will test again, but something seems squirrelly there.

Edit: Confirmed with the latest particular install CD I created. I will recreate just in case something got messed up. Windows update also wanted to install what it considered the latest package installer (v6.something). FYI
Does any1 else can confirm if he/she has the issues that were discussed here (see quote)
I would liek to know before I am going to test it in my install source (via VMWare)
KB951830 and KB952287 will be tested by me via nLite integration

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Post by c400 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:00 am

mindwarper in v2.1.2 everything is ok! It was a problem in one of the previous releases.
Now everything is just perfect! What about to add WGA ?

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Post by Stimpy » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:41 am

c400, I would stop using this pack if WGA ever got put inside this pack. I'm not a pirate, but I just don't agree with handing my system over to Microsoft, after all, nobody has proved that MS are not able to do more with WGA than they currently admit to.

I think you will find many people feel simular to myself on this matter.

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Post by Outbreaker » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:08 am

WGAV is only checking your CD Key online if you connect to WU/MU to get the Updates.
If they want informations from you they get it also without WGA.
The only solution for this is if you use Linux.

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Post by c400 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:35 am

Outbreaker sounds good :)

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Post by lsrkin » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:57 pm

Is it possible to integrate new version of Updatepack after i integrated old one and other addons or i have to repeat the same way again from vanilla?

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Post by ahmerkhan » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:36 pm

Great Work...Should be Sticky...

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Post by kal » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:35 pm

I made a french pack based on this one (not really based, but it helps me a lot).
http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=77451#77451

I hope you don't mind redxii :)

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Post by Stimpy » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:39 am

Outbreaker wrote: If they want informations from you they get it also without WGA.
The only solution for this is if you use Linux.
This may well be the case, but I would rather not choose to install a potential/known spy vector on my computer!

I may be wrong, but why do everyone else choose to leave WGA out of their addons? Surely there must be a reason for this, as Ryan etc don't make their addons with just my personal feelings in mind.

But I would like to thank Redxii for resisting WGA this far, as well as keeping this excellent pack updated.

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Post by redxii » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:19 am

I still use WGA (but not WGAN), how else would I download updates or use Windows Update? I just simply don't want it integrated, and other people might not want it. I wasn't happy with the offerings first available for SP3 so I made my own update pack, but initially kept it to myself.

Now there are some really paranoid folks who will not even use Windows/Automatic Updates, are paranoid of Microsoft collecting personal data and say they're going to switch to Linux but never do so.

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Post by mindwarper » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:00 am

redxii wrote:I still use WGA (but not WGAN), how else would I download updates or use Windows Update? I just simply don't want it integrated, and other people might not want it. I wasn't happy with the offerings first available for SP3 so I made my own update pack, but initially kept it to myself.

Now there are some really paranoid folks who will not even use Windows/Automatic Updates, are paranoid of Microsoft collecting personal data and say they're going to switch to Linux but never do so.
I agree on that :)

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Post by mindwarper » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:02 am

c400 wrote:mindwarper in v2.1.2 everything is ok! It was a problem in one of the previous releases.
Now everything is just perfect! What about to add WGA ?
OK that is fine thanks for notifying me!
lsrkin wrote:Is it possible to integrate new version of Updatepack after i integrated old one and other addons or i have to repeat the same way again from vanilla?
Does anyone, tried this?
Can they confirmn that seems to work fine, because that is exactly what I want o get sorted, I just don't want to redo all of my work.

Not that it is a big issue, but anyway...

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Post by kal » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:04 am

For all those who wished to integrate WGAV/WGAN, xable made addons for these :
http://xable.net/forums/viewforum.php?id=3

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Post by Stimpy » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:14 am

redxii wrote:Now there are some really paranoid folks who will not even use Windows/Automatic Updates, are paranoid of Microsoft collecting personal data and say they're going to switch to Linux but never do so.
Now I guess that one was aimed at me, but fair enough, I could be slightly paranoid, but my reason is that I rarely have windows installed on my machine for more than a month, and use Ryans update pack to re install it.

Also I had a major fight with some Microsoft moron over WGA insisting that my copy of XP was not legit, and he basically said I must be a pirate, and it was only after speaking to his manager and emailing a copy of my receipt and a photo of my certificate of authenticity, that they activated my copy. After that, I have a bad taste in my mouth for WGA.

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Post by bphlpt » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:10 am

After that experience, Stimpy, I wouldn't blame anyone for being mad, paranoid, and generally pissed off. :wink:

Cheers and Regards.

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Post by roirraW "edor" » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:58 pm

Stimpy wrote:I may be wrong, but why do everyone else choose to leave WGA out of their addons? Surely there must be a reason for this, as Ryan etc don't make their addons with just my personal feelings in mind.

But I would like to thank Redxii for resisting WGA this far, as well as keeping this excellent pack updated.
Because the principal of the matter: they leave it up to the end user to decide if they want to integrate it or not. I always integrate it for friend's computers (the WGAN flavor) anyway since Automatic Updates would eventually install it anyway. I only integrate WGA on m own installs since I manually decide when to install my updates.

Re: Stimpy. Ditto what bphlpt said.
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Post by roirraW "edor" » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:59 pm

mindwarper wrote:
c400 wrote:mindwarper in v2.1.2 everything is ok! It was a problem in one of the previous releases.
Now everything is just perfect! What about to add WGA ?
OK that is fine thanks for notifying me!
lsrkin wrote:Is it possible to integrate new version of Updatepack after i integrated old one and other addons or i have to repeat the same way again from vanilla?
Does anyone, tried this?
Can they confirmn that seems to work fine, because that is exactly what I want o get sorted, I just don't want to redo all of my work.

Not that it is a big issue, but anyway...
FYI it's never a recommended action to integrate update packs over previous update packs. Whether this works or not may change from one update pack version to the next. You can't rely on it always working. I would never use this method.
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Post by end3rkid » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:49 pm

2.1.3 is now just compatible with English version only right?

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Post by redxii » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:24 pm

Yes, it's an English update pack since it contains hotfixes for English XP.

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Post by Sonar » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:07 pm

Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP (KB947864)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en

this one keeps poping up aswell on windows updates?

does your pack cover this?

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Post by redxii » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:14 pm

Already discussed, it's an IE7 update and SP3 doesn't include IE7.

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Post by Sonar » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:42 pm

about 8 updates just went through MU

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Post by alur » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:10 pm

yeah,
Security Update for Windows XP (KB951698)
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - June 2008 (KB890830)
Cumulative Security Update for ActiveX Killbits for Windows XP (KB950760)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB950762)
Security Update for Windows XP (KB951376)
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP (KB950759)
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Post by redxii » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:12 pm

I am well aware of them.

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Post by Rhor » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:49 am

Geez!!!, you are fast Mr. Redxii. Thank you so much for the update!.
Just a question, KB950759 is for IE7, how come it is included in the Update Pack?.
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Post by crashfly » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am

zomg. You are da man once again Redxii.
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Post by redxii » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:02 am

Rhor wrote:Geez!!!, you are fast Mr. Redxii. Thank you so much for the update!.
Just a question, KB950759 is for IE7, how come it is included in the Update Pack?.
KB950759 is for IE6 & IE7, they are separate hotfixes

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Post by Sm0ker » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:34 am

Nice one redexii many thanks for releasing the update so fast

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Post by mindwarper » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:19 am

Yeah thanks for releasing the update so quickly...
Will play with it this weekend, when I have more of time to do some integration testing & all...

Just one small question:
Are KB951830 and KB952287 also included or not, as we discussed in this thread earlier?

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Post by Stimpy » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:45 am

Thanks Redxii

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Post by Outbreaker » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:09 am

What about this Fixes:
KB931906 (Security Update for CAPICOM)
KB951830 (DNS resolve Fix)
KB952287 (Microsoft Data Access Components)
redxii wrote:
Rhor wrote:Geez!!!, you are fast Mr. Redxii. Thank you so much for the update!.
Just a question, KB950759 is for IE7, how come it is included in the Update Pack?.
KB950759 is for IE6 & IE7, they are separate hotfixes
And in this update pack only KB950759 for IE6 is included or ?
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Post by redxii » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:31 am

"CAPICOM" doesn't appear to be included in XP SP3 to begin with, there is no CAPICOM.dll, and the update is over a year old.

KB951830 doesn't have a GDR branch.

KB952287 was added a long time ago, it had a GDR branch.
Outbreaker wrote: And in this update pack only KB950759 for IE6 is included or ?
IE6, since XP SP3 doesn't include IE7. The bulletins point to the appropriate download: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 8-031.mspx

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Post by mindwarper » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:45 am

redxii wrote:"CAPICOM" doesn't appear to be included in XP SP3 to begin with, there is no CAPICOM.dll, and the update is over a year old.

KB951830 doesn't have a GDR branch.

KB952287 was added a long time ago, it had a GDR branch.
OK that is nice tyo know :)
We can integrate that hotfix, that does not have a GDR btanch via nLite for example, right?

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Post by Outbreaker » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:50 am

But would be better to include KB951830 & KB89213 but i can do that also with nLite :).
But you shoud really not include a beta versions of flash or make too Packs one with and on without beta version :wink:.

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Post by kal » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:19 am

Hi redxii. While translating the new version of your pack, i've noticed a typo mistake in XPSP3Upd.inf, in the AddReg line of RedUpdatePack section :
KB950762.AddReg.KB951126.AddReg
should be :
KB950762.AddReg,KB951126.AddReg
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Post by lsrkin » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:45 am

KB950759 is still shown on Windows Update :(

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