Paul Thurrott Says SP3 Axed.

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Do you think Micorosft will ever release SP3?

YES!!! Paul Turrott is a Flipping Liar
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NO!!! It will never see the light of day
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WHO CARES!!! We have RyanVM Updatepack
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Paul Thurrott Says SP3 Axed.

Post by ricktendo64 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:16 am

And What About Windows XP Service Pack 3?
And while I'm ranting a bit, let's dredge up Windows XP Service Pack 3, which was delayed from 2005 to 2006 to 2007 and now to 2008. If you were looking for any glimpse into the mind of Microsoft, this is it: The company has completely abandoned Windows XP, and it has absolutely no plans to ever ship an XP SP3. My guess is that Microsoft will do what it did with the final Windows 2000 Service Pack: Claim years later that it's no longer needed and just ship a final security patch roll-up. This is the worst kiss-off to any Microsoft product I've ever seen, and you'd think the company would show a little more respect to its best-selling OS of all time. But the reality is, Microsoft is looking ahead to new revenue and not behind to money that's already in the bank. And though hundreds of millions of people will be running XP for years to come, despite Microsoft's best efforts at selling them a later Windows version, the company has absolutely no plans to actually support those customers. This flies in the face of its publicly-stated life cycle support plans. And it really freaks me out. It should freak you out as well.
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Post by RogueSpear » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:58 pm

As expected. People thought I was nuts when I said this was how it would happen a year back.

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Post by mr_smartepants » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:13 pm

RogueSpear wrote:As expected. People thought I was nuts when I said this was how it would happen a year back.
Absolutely right. Typical M$ to dump support to boost sales. I didn't expect it to happen this fast though.

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Post by techtype » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:06 pm

RogueSpear wrote:As expected. People thought I was nuts when I said this was how it would happen a year back.
You were right on this one, assuming Paul has accurate info. Let's pray for a Rollup as XP has a lot of life left in it.

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Post by 5eraph » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:31 pm

While I generally find that Thurrott hits the mark most of the time, I absolutely hate when writers fail to cite their sources (or fail to at least mention that the sources prefer to remain anonymous). Unless a reliable source can be cited, any such "news" is strictly spreading rumors and FUD.

In this case I will continue to think wishfully. ;)

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Post by ENU_user » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:49 pm

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecy ... packs.mspx
SP3 for Windows XP Professional is currently planned for 1H CY2008 (as to first half of 2008). This date is preliminary.


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Download ... 0982.shtml
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Post by Zacam » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:56 pm

Or, using RVM Update Packs.

I don't need no stinkin SP3 so long as this site exists.

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Post by RogueSpear » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:06 pm

Zacam wrote:Or, using RVM Update Packs.

I don't need no stinkin SP3 so long as this site exists.
While you have a point, a new service pack would be very desirable. Service packs (allegedly) go through a very rigorous testing process and you would probably find an awful lot of hotfixes included that are currently not general public release hotfixes.

But I think that there in lies the problem. Windows XP SP2 with the RyanVM Update Pack is a pretty damn solid operating system. Most Windows XP users have no idea that this site even exists (or MSFN for that matter which has HFSLIP). So for most people, reinstalling Windows XP SP2 from scratch involves something like 5 hours and four reboots with Windows Update. It's not very appealing and I went through that exact scenario not more than three weeks ago.

Anything that can be done to persuade adoption of Vista will be done. At least that's my cynical take on it.

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:45 pm

Personally, I'd rather have an official SP3 over my packs ;) :P
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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:46 pm

Asking because of no knowledge. Did microsoft killed a service pack for windows 2000 after announcing it?

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:48 pm

Yeah. They had originally planned an SP5 for it. Hell, they planned an SP7 for NT4 before axing it. In both cases, they did the Update Rollup instead. I was hoping XP would at least get to SP3 before they did that. I highly doubt that SP4 will ever ship for XP if SP3 even does.
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Post by RogueSpear » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:51 pm

Service packs are never really "announced" until they go public. There is indeed a beta process - I was a beta tester for W2K3 SP2. I'm not sure if Windows 2000 SP5 ever reached any kind of testing phase, but it had been alluded to for quite some time until Microsoft simply announced there would not be one.

I went through a very similar scenario with Windows NT4 SP7.

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:54 pm

Yeah, I beta tested XPSP2. It went into beta a good 6 months prior to release. I remember using the first beta (build 2055 IIRC) of it in February of 2004 and it was released in August of 2004.

EDIT: So I guess if SP3 is still being planned, it could go into beta any time in the second half of this year or very early next year (assuming they stick to the planned release schedule).
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Post by RogueSpear » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:59 pm

That Thurrot fellow has more connections than the phone company. If he's claiming it's scrubbed, good money goes on you never seeing it.

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Post by ricktendo64 » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:11 pm

Added Poll... I vote it will never see the light of day

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Post by 5eraph » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:24 pm

What I believe and what I want are two different things, so I voted neutral. :P

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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:38 pm

Thanks for clarification Ryan.
I voted who cares :P

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Post by Zacam » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:06 pm

My only problem that I could see with SP3 is the inclusion of things I _personally_ may never see or may never need or want.

Like IE7 and WMP11. I could do without them and I do.....but with an SP3, I'd have to resort to stripping them out instead of just not including them.

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:24 pm

One would hope that the kinks with IE7 will be worked out by the time SP3 ships, if IE7 were even to be included (there's no guarantee it would be)
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Post by Zacam » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:24 pm

Even if they rebuilt it from the ground up, I still personally wouldn't like it. :-) But that's just me.

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:27 pm

Personally, I think IE7 was a definite step in the right direction, though not enough. Improved CSS support, support for PNG alpha transparency, and the rest were definite improvements over IE6.
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Post by ricktendo64 » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:31 pm

I don't think that IE7 will be included in SP3... WMP11 maybe but not IE7

The reason I think so is: Why the heck did they not include IE7 in SP2 for Server 2003?

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Post by mr_smartepants » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:49 am

I voted yes, not because I believe M$ will release SP3, but it's because I would like them to.
I can not see them rolling IE7 or WMP11 into SP3 only because of the financial problems they've had with the European commission and all the anti-trust lawsuits.

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Post by ricktendo64 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:09 am

If they don't include IE7 or WMP11 then its not a service pack, its just a rollup

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Post by iuli_kyle » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:52 am

They won't include IE7, neither WMP11. I read an article in a magazine about this. They said this apps were created for Vista, but with XP support too.
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Post by ricktendo64 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:10 pm

iuli_kyle wrote:They won't include IE7, neither WMP11. I read an article in a magazine about this. They said this apps were created for Vista, but with XP support too.
DAM!!!

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Post by iuli_kyle » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:16 pm

That's Microsoft stupidity ! Maybe RyanVM will include them in his update pack ... :D
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Post by ricktendo64 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:23 pm

Windows XP to be phased out by year's end despite customer demand | APC Magazine
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Computer makers have been told they'll no longer be able to get Windows XP OEM by the end of this year, despite consumer resistance to Vista and its compatibility problems.

By early 2008, Microsoft's contracts with computer makers will require companies to only sell Vista-loaded machines. "The OEM version of XP Professional goes next January," said Frank Luburic, senior ThinkPad product manager for Lenovo. "At that point, they'll have no choice."

Despite Microsoft's relentless promotion of Vista, manufacturers are still seeing plenty of demand from customers for systems preloaded with XP, especially in the finicky SOHO market.

In a recent post on its Direct2Dell blog, Dell reaffirmed to concerned customers that it wasn't about to force small business users -- who typically purchase PCs piecemeal, rather than in large enterprise-style orders -- to shift to Vista, which has experienced a less-than-stellar reaction from many buyers because of driver issues and moderately beefy hardware requirements.

"Dell recognizes the needs of small business customers and understands that more time is needed to transition to a new operating system," the post read in part. "The plan is to continue offering Windows XP on select Dimension and Inspiron systems until later this [northern] summer."
"From a local perspective, the post was a reminder more than an announcement," Dell ANZ corporate communications manager Paul McKeon told APC.

"This was something we'd always planned during the transition phase since businesses will have different time frames to adopt the new OS. If you're a consumer, you're unlikely to be managing more than say 2.4 OS images at home, so it's less of an issue"

There's general agreement amongst PC resellers that Vista has provided a minor boost to PC sales, but hasn't produced blockbuster numbers. A similar story applies in the retail space. Figures from marketing consultancy GfK suggest that after an initial sales surge, around 1500 copies of Vista are now being sold through Australian retailers each week, according to a recent report in the AFR.

While Dell's post suggested it wouldn't be promoting Vista systems to the home market, manufacturers still have the option of selling XP-based systems for consumers this year.
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Post by dgelwin » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:53 am

I dont think it will ever see the light of day, most likely they will just release and update rollup
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Post by C0g » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 pm

If I remember correctly SP2 had WMP9 included in it :) so I definitely do not think that WMP11 will be included in an eventual SP3 for Windows XP, but WMP10 will be included most probably. I'm also sceptical about the inclusion of IE7... Anyway I voted "Yes" in this poll, because I do believe that some sort of SP for windows XP will come out once Vista catches on in terms of sales :) Damn XP seems to have passed away rather quickly. It's a damn shame what they are doing with DirectX 10. I hope someone finds a way to backport it to at least Windows XP. I've tried Vista, but when I saw how much space on a HDD it took to for itself I did not feel good. It's not stepping onto my PC any time soon (at least not untill I upgrade to a much bigger hard disk).

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Post by GasPipeJimmy » Tue May 15, 2007 4:25 am

Sad news indeed.

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Post by ricktendo64 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:19 am

WOW! Awesome news... Seems like IE7 and WMP11 might make it after all into SP3

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Post by code65536 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:56 am

The only reason I was hoping for a SP3 was because it'd be the only way to truly cleanly integrate things like IE7 and WMP11 (otherwise, slipstreaming hotfixes would have roughly the same effect). So this is great news indeed.
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Post by RyanVM » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:22 pm

My thoughts exactly, code65536 :)
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Post by RogueSpear » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:14 pm

Somehow it doesn't add up. I mean why didn't they include IE7 in W2K3 SP2? Ostensibly IE7 is much more secure and W2K3 SP2 is supposed to be all about security <sigh>.

Well here's hoping for the best.

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Post by ricktendo64 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:33 pm

And IE 8 Beta is to be released for testing soon this year :P http://www.thehotfix.net/index.php?opti ... 8&Itemid=1

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Post by code65536 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:49 pm

I just re-read the article. And nowhere does it say that IE7/WMP11 will be included in SP3. It does say that there will be a SP3, but the stuff about IE/WMP was in reference to some sort of compliance update that they have to make.
Changes for Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player will be made available to users in August 2007 and Microsoft is discussing with the TC the delivery mechanism for those changes. [translation: Update to IE/WMP coming in August... now, let's change gears and talk about XP in the next sentence] The Windows XP changes will be incorporated into Service Pack 3 for Windows XP," revealed the U.S. Justice department in its filing.

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Post by RaGhul » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:30 pm

I voted "WHO CARES", although I agree with Ryan. As much as I like his and Xable's packs (and all the other ones here), it just doesn't compare to a Service Pack. It would be better. An Update Rollup isn't really any different than what we already have here.

But, I'm not holding my breath. :wink:

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Post by The Creator » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:10 am

I say we all go ubuntu and use wine to run our old apps. Ryan can make update packs from the ubuntu repositories! Go linux! MS are now just money sucking dirt bags. Vista is total crap and it wont even install if i have my radeon x1600 in my comp. The graphics card freezes the installation and i have to put in an old rage card to do the installation then install new radeon drivers then put in my x1600 and it is too much work. I am extremely disappointed with vista and hope they make an xp sp3 at least. And if they dont do that go ubuntu!

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Post by ricktendo64 » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:36 am

That makes me Happy... Now I hear Vista SP1 not until 2009 :lol:

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