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[Vote] Antispyware

Post by shahed26 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:24 am

which premium ANTISPYWARE would you people recommend also considering system resources pleae vote as i will be making it an addon and will upload it to share with everyone, except the serials. but i can give you info on how to input your serial into the addon, depending on the software core.

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Post by runningfool87 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:05 pm

one vote for AVG antispyware

EDIT: its also one of the best (if not THE best) anti-trojan apps you can get
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Post by Siginet » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:08 pm

Actually I don't think just one AntiSpyware program is enough.

My vote would be Lavasoft Ad-Aware and SpyBot S&D.
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Post by chetri » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:59 pm

My vote goes to Spybot S&D and Zone Alarm firewall with antispyware
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Post by The Creator » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:44 am

Siginet wrote:Actually I don't think just one AntiSpyware program is enough.

My vote would be Lavasoft Ad-Aware and SpyBot S&D.
you beat me to the vote! I second that!

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Re: [Vote] Antispyware

Post by Mrs Peel » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:55 am

shahed26 wrote:which premium ANTISPYWARE would you people recommend also considering system resources pleae
Uhmmmm, how about this as a sensible low-resource anti-spyware method:

1. Never use MS Outlook Express
2. Never use MS Internet Explorer
3. Never click on URL links in email spam
4. Never open email attachments you haven't AV checked
5. Never open downloaded files you haven't AV checked
6. Never execute downloaded software unless you saw it recommended on a reputable review site
7. Never execute downloaded files unless they came from their original author with an MD5 checksum
8. Never browse the internet without a decent ad blocker browser plugin (such as Adblock plus)
8. Never browse the internet without a decent java script blocker browser plugin (such as NoScript)
9. Never open html emails unless you have enabled a plugin which prevents loading remote files/images
10. Never surf the internet with Java enabled - activate ONLY when necessary for a trusted site and disable again right away
11. Never surf public warez sites and public crack or exploit sites
12. Never surf porn sites

I have never run (resource hogging) anti-spyware apps and neither have I ever been infected by spyware, because I practice the above precautions. I think your best idea for an anti-spyware addon would be to make a pack for Mozilla Thunderbird and FireFox with all the plugins I recommend above pre-installed and some Adblock script that has been specially written to block sites of the 11 & 12 variety.

LOL you know that whenever I hear somebody say that they have picked up some spyware on their system, my very first thought is "Oh yeh, I wonder how many warez and porn sites you have been surfing this week" :D

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Post by ronmanp » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:38 am

this is true ! if you know what youre doing you dont need so much protection, I only install anti spyware etc on friends computer (they dont know what theyre doing) hehe

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Post by Mrs Peel » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:50 am

LOL I only install nLitened builds on a friends computer - with OE and IE completely nuked from the build and a custom FF/TB addon I made with all the above mentioned plugins pre-installed ;)

I've never had a spyware report from any of them ever since :D

[edit] PS: I actually nuke every single MS software from my nLite builds - death to ALL software made by that company I say :twisted:
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Post by grief » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:58 am

i haven't found a decent anti spyware program that i like yet. i used to use adaware SE pro but its obviously dated.

adaware 2007 free (currently using) is dissapointing. 22mb-ish realtime memory usage whether you run any scans or addons. probably 80% hit rate. (pro and free have same scan engine, pro just has the extras: adwatch, hostfile manager,etc)

i've tried spy sweeper also. its pretty decent but it misses stuff that adaware 2007 picks up, seemed a little buggy as well. same realtime memory usage i believe.

windows defender seemed worthless compared to what i've tested lately. i uninstalled it after a few hours of misses heh.

spybot seemed dated the last time i tried it out (been a long while)

common sense used to be the best defense against spy/malware, but its gotten so much more aggressive over the years its hard to avoid it for the average user unless they are a hermit when it comes to the internet :P

btw i use ie7 with its built in adblocker mrs peel! :twisted:

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Post by Mrs Peel » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:06 am

OMFG!!!! You mean you actually trust the efficiency of any app made by that company that purports to protect the users network security? :shock:

You should try FireFox with AdBlock Plus, cos it can do soooooo much more than just block ads - specially if you the Filterset-G block scripts with it :P

[edit] sodding typo
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Post by 5eraph » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:07 am

I install antispyware as needed on my daughter's PC since the definitions are prone to change frequently. I often use more than one to pickup whatever a single program would miss, but I use them so rarely that my preferences change everytime I install them.

Avast AV catches most of what she encounters anyway. :)

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Re: [Vote] Antispyware

Post by code65536 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:26 am

Mrs Peel wrote:Uhmmmm, how about this as a sensible low-resource anti-spyware method:
Yep. I've always advocated the "don't be stupid" approach. Never used anti-spyware. Never used AV (okay, I did back in the days of boot sector viruses, but that's over a decade ago). Never used a firewall (though I am behind a NAT). And also never got infected with malware, ever, in my 15+ years of computing (okay, there was once when I got infected, but that was because I was disassembling and examining a known virus in the age before VPCs, and accidentally ran it; but that doesn't count since I was knowingly playing with fire). But while "don't be stupid" is much more effective than the snake oil that "security" companies try to shovel down people throats, your list is a wee bit too too paranoid...

1 & 2 are (mostly) fine if you keep up with updates. If there is a serious in-the-wild exploit, MS will release a patch out-of-cycle. That having been said, I don't use IE because FF is simply a superior product. I do, however, use OE instead of TB because TB is an inferior product (yes, I've desperately tried in the name of open source to like TB; I've even authored an extension for TB on moz addons to correct one of its annoyances, but alas, TB has just too many fatal flaws).

4, 5, & 6... I wouldn't say "never", esp. since I don't use AV. But after a while, you get a pretty solid feeling for what source are safe and what are not. Also, it helps to know what sorts of files can be dangerous and what can't possibly be (e.g., a zip file should be fine, though executables from shady sources always get run in a VPC first) Also, one should ensure that "hide file extensions" is turned off. Now that is security hole that needs closing.

7: I check the md5sum mostly to check against data corruption. It's exceedingly rare to have viruses spread by a hacker hacking into a server and changing the download. And if the file could be maliciously altered, then in many cases, the hacker also has the ability to change the md5sum too (and therefore, only cryptographic signatures are effective at preventing viruses; md5sums are mostly placebos in that respect)

8a: ABP is a source of headaches because of all the potential incompatibility and havoc that it may wreak. A bit like the notorious Tabbrowser Extensions in that respect. Flashblock is a much better option. Though, for me, the purpose of the blocking isn't security, but just getting rid of the annoying animations that you can't stop (okay, when I hit Esc, all GIF animations stop, but why do those stupid Flash ads have to keep running? no, I don't want to try to hit your stupid moving monkey!... I hate Flash with a passion, BTW)

8b: Now that is really, really paranoid. Just keep up with the latest patches, and you're fine. IMHO, NoScript is one of those things that I wish could be un-invented. Mostly unnecessary and causes more problems than it "solves" (since it doesn't really solve anything to begin with). If you want to stop sites from abusing JS and doing annoying things with JS, you're better off disabling certain abusive JS constructs through the options (and there are a few extra ones in about:config too).

9: OE does this by default. But I also view e-mails in text mode. Not because of security, but because e-mails are designed for plaintext, and HTML e-mails and attachments are just perversions of the standard. Anyone who uses HTML e-mail or uses e-mail to send large attachments (gee, that's smart; let's send stuff in a way that incurs a minimum of 33% extra bandwidth overhead because of 8-to-6-bit encoding) should be shot. :P

10: Java? What's that? For better or for worse, Java applets have gone the way of the dinosaur, replaced by Flash. I never liked either, so eh.

11: Depends on type. Legit ones (now how's that for oxymoronic?) are almost always clean, esp. the "scene" files. The ones that are dangerous are the fake ones that put up a masquerade for the purpose luring people in. If you can't tell which sites are fake, then that's what VPCs are for.

12: ROTFL... once again, depends on the type; porn sites that peddle porn are virtually always safe; the ones that aren't are fake sites set up by malware authors with just enough cursory content to lure people in... but these fake sites are relatively few in number and also-short lived, so if the porn site you go to has been up for a month or more or if the site actually has content, then you're safe...

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Post by grief » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:33 am

Mrs Peel wrote:OMFG!!!! You mean you actually trust the efficiency of any app made by that company that purports to protect the users network security? :shock:

You should try FireFox with AdBlock Plus, cos it can do soooooo much more than just block ads - specially if you the Filterset-G block scripts with it :P

[edit] sodding typo
explorer is part of windows. you'll never get away from it mrs peel ! :lol:

trust isnt' the word i was thinking of, but i do think that it gets the job done. firefox has some features that have tempted me, but to be completely honest i've never needed more of a browser than ie. i don't go around clicking anything thats "shiny" or "pretty" and i don't have pop ups all in my grill either. (although i do hate these new vibrant ads, damn them!)

windows is a operating system, i dont' confuse that with network security. antivirus, firewalls, anti spyware shouldn't have the word "microsoft" in them hehe.

firefox maybe more secure, more features, but in the end its just another program that i don't "Need". depends on where you go and what you do there i guess.

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Post by 5eraph » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:55 am

My approach with respect to Mrs Peel's list is remarkably close to code65536's, except:
  • I use resident AV protection.
  • I use only Firefox without any blocking plugins other than what's included "out of the box."
  • I never use Outlook Express or any client that needs to be installed locally. The popular webmail options are more secure choices, in my opinion.
  • I don't mind Flash, and I need Java to configure and use my print/scan server. I also use the Java-based Azureus bittorrent client, even though it's bloatware, because I like many of the extra features it provides.
  • I have little use for cracks. I've transitioned mostly to freeware alternatives. Cracking CD-checks for the games I play isn't worth the hassle: I keep my original media in a safe, easy to reach place. I also use legit web-based distribution outlets like Steam whenever I can.

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Post by mr_smartepants » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:10 am

My approach is similar:
  • I use resident AV protection Symantec Client Security 3.1.6 (A/V + F/W).
  • I use Windows Defender (might uninstall it as SCS catches everything)
  • I use only Firefox with AdBlockPlus and Filterset.G plugins
  • I use Outlook 2007 for email (looking for suitable replacement, I don't like TB).
  • I don't mind Flash, and I need Java to access some restricted sites.
  • I have been known to visit certain torrent tracker sites on occasion 8)


As a test, I installed Spybot S&D, updated it fully, then ran a scan.
Only one finding: Windows Firewall is disabled. Well no SH*T! I have Symantec firewall installed...jeez! :) You think they'd have figured out that the majority of power-users out there use anything BUT Windows firewall.

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Post by msdemich » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:00 pm

Consumer reports reviewed Security suites this month. This is how it ranked antispyware software.
  1. Trend Micro
  2. Sunbelt Counterspy 2
  3. F-Secure
  4. McAfee
  5. Bit Defender
  6. Check Point Zonealarm
  7. Microsoft Windows Defender (OMGWTF!?)
  8. PCTools Spyware Doctor
  9. Webroot Spy Sweeper
  10. Spybot Search and Destroy
  11. Symantec Norton Internet Security 2007
  12. Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Plus
I've used Adaware for years and I'm shocked that it was dead last. Even more shocked that windows defender was rated so good.

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Post by grief » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:27 am

they reviewed Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Plus when theres the new 2007 engine?

thats why i don't really trust alot of these "review" sites. half the time they aren't equally matched compares nor do you know if its a true review. (ie no "bonus" for a nice review ;) )

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Post by avneet25 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:08 am

msdemich wrote:Consumer reports reviewed Security suites this month. This is how it ranked antispyware software.
  1. Trend Micro
  2. Sunbelt Counterspy 2
  3. F-Secure
  4. McAfee
  5. Bit Defender
  6. Check Point Zonealarm
  7. Microsoft Windows Defender (OMGWTF!?)
  8. PCTools Spyware Doctor
  9. Webroot Spy Sweeper
  10. Spybot Search and Destroy
  11. Symantec Norton Internet Security 2007
  12. Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Plus
I've used Adaware for years and I'm shocked that it was dead last. Even more shocked that windows defender was rated so good.
link to the review

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Post by code65536 » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:19 am

avneet25 wrote:link to the review
LOL! They barely can get things right with non-tech things. With tech, they are even more lost... they're rather amateurish; I'd take whatever they say with a grain of salt.

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Post by 5eraph » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:30 am

A subscription is required to read that review.

From what I see, they list the applications from worst to best. I'd take #12 over #1 any day. :P

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Post by buletov » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:43 pm

Mrs Peel wrote:You should try FireFox with AdBlock Plus, cos it can do soooooo much more than just block ads - specially if you the Filterset-G block scripts with it :P
So true. Exactly the same that I use here... ;)

BTW, AdAware has became very lame and with low detection rate, when it comes to the nastiest spyware. There is a free tool with a much better detection rate called RemoveIT Pro SE. My suggestion is to try using this together with SpyBot S&D.
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Post by runningfool87 » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:01 am

-email: gmail. desktop email clients are completely unnecessary.
-antivirus: i dont use one. but if i did, it would be NOD32.
-firewall: comodo 2.4, but only when im not behind a firewalled router.
-antispyware: spyware terminator, spybot s&d (no active protection for either one)
-other apps: bugoff, hijackthis, peerguardian, mru-blaster, rogue remover, icesword, rootkit unhooker, crap cleaner, reg organizer.
-firefox addons (the security-related ones): adblock plus (which can also be used to block flash), adblock filterset.g updater, adblock plus element hiding helper, distrust.
-hosts file: i only add the entries that spybot and rogue remover add themselves. very large host files will actually slow down your connection speed.

other things: remote access is forbidden. period. guest account is disabled. admin account renamed to "Root"...i only use it to install programs. otherwise i use the limited "User" account. used gpedit.msc to prevent QoS from reserving 20% of my bandwidth. turned off security center, automatic updates, and BITS services in order to increase system responsiveness (i get my updates from windizupdate.com). all other services are set to "BlackViper" recommended settings. system file protection is disabled to save space and not annoy me. "hide extensions" is off, and "show hidden files" is on.

a few notes: low resource usage is extremely important to me, and the main reason i switched from AVG antispyware to spyware terminator. i dont use ad-aware because the new version is bloated and the old version misses a lot of legitimate threats. noscript is probably the most ridiculous firefox addon in existence and i will never use it. also, windows defender was designed for vista, not xp. microsoft even said that defender on xp is only 60% effective when compared to defender on vista.

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