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[Request].net framework true addon not onepeice's

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:06 pm

Hello Friends.
Can anyone provide me .net framework 2 or higher true addon.i need it very much.

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Post by kal » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:52 pm

There's no true addon avalaible (yet) for .net framework >= 2.

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why not .net framework 2 true addon available

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:01 pm

But why is this not available??????

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Post by herc » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:18 pm

It is The Holy Grail of our community...;)

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Post by Kelsenellenelvian » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:50 pm

Becuase it is nearly impossible to build and none of us get paid for this.

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Post by Siginet » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:02 am

Trust me... we all would love to have this. I was glad to see OnePiece actually was able to make a 1.1 true addon.
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How wonderfull is this

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:20 am

Hi.Boys i am wonderful and worry to know that there is no addon available.As KELS said that it is impossible but how?is it very difficult or it can't be slipstreamed?

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Post by alur » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:01 pm

Everything is possible, it's just very hard in this case. It's hard to justify all the work needed to get it "slipstreamed" when you can just use a silent installer instead.
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Post by Siginet » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:19 pm

There would be a huge difference in the windows install time if it were possible to create a true addon for it. dotnet installers take a very long time to install. But true addons are completly integrated into the windows setup so it would take almost no time at all to install. I think if anyone could do it... it would be OnePiece since he was able to do a 1.1 version. But even he said it wouldn't be any time soon (if ever) that he would be able to make the newer versions.
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Post by RogueSpear » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:47 pm

Siginet wrote:There would be a huge difference in the windows install time if it were possible to create a true addon for it.
My guess is that it wouldn't speed things up as much as one might think. The .NET Runtime Optimization service would still need to make a pass at some point during setup.

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onepeice please make .net true addon

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:15 pm

Hi.Onepeice please make true addon of .net framework 2.0 or higher for us.

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Post by bober101 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:28 pm

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Post by biatche » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:23 pm

i got myself banned in another forum for flaming another person from pakistan who demanded it is their duty to create free software. of course coming from me its irrelevant

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Post by Kelsenellenelvian » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:42 pm

You don't get it m8.

It would be SUPER HARD and VERY time consuming. (Possible days of testing and coding)

None of us get paid for this.

There is a silent installer made for all .net frameworks USE IT!!!

Unless you want to actually pay one of us to try to make it...

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Post by code65536 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:30 pm

Plus, I also don't get why everyone is so hung up about true addons. All that "true addons" are doing is (1) converting one type of setup process (in this case, MSI plus whatever custom steps are done by post-setup processes that may be spawned) to another type (SetupAPI), and then (2) hooking that to the main Windows install in a particular way. If the MSI->SetupAPI conversion is trivial, then that's great (the second part, about hooking it up to the install via SYSOC, is of dubious value, IMO, and it's usually better to repackage it as a SFX'ed rundll32 from svcpack, but that's something for another thread). But people seem to forget that SetupAPI is old Win95-era technology that is very, very limited in what it can do, and for more complex setups (like .NET), trying to shoehorn MSI into SetupAPI requires doing a lot of ugly things, which are subject to human error (plus, there are some things that you simply *cannot* do with SetupAPI, at least without spawning some sort of separate process for it). Even if someone created a true .NET installer, I wouldn't use it because I simply won't trust any setup that's been put through the MSI->SetupAPI meat grinder like that.

So... my question is, do you even understand what your request is? Barring the question of difficulty and effort, do you even understand the advantages and disadvantages of the two approaches for .NET? And if not, then why the heck do you have such a strong preference for one over the other?
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Post by RogueSpear » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:34 pm

Finally. Someone who gets it.

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Post by crashfly » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:53 am

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Thanks code65536

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:00 am

Thanks code65536.You have cleared me everything.But i am still hopeful from anyone else.

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Post by ccl0 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:43 pm

Jamshed_11946 wrote:Thanks code65536.You have cleared me everything.But i am still hopeful from anyone else.

just use the switchless installer like everyone else does

http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6431

or
http://www.ryanvm.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5657

they work really well

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Post by ENU_user » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:41 pm

maybe through a wix installer it will install faster ... ?:
instead of telling the system what to do in a step-by-step fashion, it tells it what state the system should end up in after installation: this includes files, shortcuts, registry entries, and all the other possible tasks you might want your installer to perform.
i personally dont know as i didn't get around testing this for myself.. this may be more suitable for vanilla installations & not for long term running systems
from what i understood installing through the wix installer, security setting aren't written or compiled as with the vanilla .dotnet installer so there is a caspol.exe to administrate security settings for it (found in the article...)

if someone wants to test it out get the script and the wix-toolset to compile it

[link to the wix manual][artical link]

then there is some thing like dotNetInstaller project
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where .dotnet and other dependencies are installed accordingly to the system needs and user authority ..

posting this for the sake of linking & i haven't tried any of these yet ;)

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Post by bober101 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:37 pm

well id simply extract the install files to a folder and make it run like that,yes it would occupy more space on the CD but ud skip the extraction process...
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Post by nonno fabio » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:15 am

well, right or wrong, Onepiece is going to release to beta testers his .NET 2 true addon which seems to work
Don't ask for a different configuration of Onepiece's XP AIO Update Pack: use one of the existing vanilla XP UpdatePack with your preferred addons instead

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.net frame work 2 addon but when

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:04 am

nonno fabio.thanx but when you will provide me the link

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Post by nonno fabio » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:14 am

in a week or in a month or in a year or never: it depends on test results
Don't ask for a different configuration of Onepiece's XP AIO Update Pack: use one of the existing vanilla XP UpdatePack with your preferred addons instead

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Post by Jamshed_11946 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:37 am

ohoo.sorry nonno fabio i coud not under stand your point that this addon is still in process.thanx again.

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Post by ahmerkhan » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:34 am

:)

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Post by Jamshed_11946 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:54 am

mindcurd wrote::)
Is this a joke??
Mr. Ahmer Khan????
I have known about you very much.....
I am seriously asking ablot .net 2 addon and you are joking with me?????

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Post by Kelsenellenelvian » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:20 am

WTF Jamshed?

Calm down.

All he did was post a smiley emote.

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Post by ahmerkhan » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:56 am

Is this a joke??
Mr. Ahmer Khan????
I have known about you very much.....
I am seriously asking ablot .net 2 addon and you are joking with me?????
I was just smiling after reading the whole thread. just like bober101 did above. :rolleyes:

why are you so irritating :?:

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Post by nonno fabio » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:17 am

After 2 weeks of tests and hours of work, we've got a .Net 2.0 true addon which works like a charm when executed from desktop but it isn't able to do same way when integrated in XP CD
This because there' s no known way to make ngen.exe to work at T14/T15.

So we give up. Sorry.
Don't ask for a different configuration of Onepiece's XP AIO Update Pack: use one of the existing vanilla XP UpdatePack with your preferred addons instead

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thanks nonno fabio

Post by Jamshed_11946 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:53 am

Ok
Thanks.Now i will never wait for this addon but switchless installer is a good way.

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Post by Jamshed_11946 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:57 am

mindcurd wrote:
Is this a joke??
Mr. Ahmer Khan????
I have known about you very much.....
I am seriously asking ablot .net 2 addon and you are joking with me?????
I was just smiling after reading the whole thread. just like bober101 did above. :rolleyes:

why are you so irritating :?:
Ok.I am also smiling on your emotions!!!!!!!!
Can you help me in windows customizations???

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Post by DaRk MaDnEsS » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:04 am

nonno fabio wrote:After 2 weeks of tests and hours of work, we've got a .Net 2.0 true addon which works like a charm when executed from desktop but it isn't able to do same way when integrated in XP CD
This because there' s no known way to make ngen.exe to work at T14/T15.

So we give up. Sorry.
hmm just a question

is this file needed to finish the setup

why don't you use Svcpack or GuiRunonce to finish it

just a little fix until a true fix to the problem appears

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Post by ENU_user » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:03 pm

since files are only needing to be placed @locations with the setup & with nothing else planned to run prior to T-13

files are only being slapped into there location with very basic reg entries using only inf based installations till that point

dedicated scripts or original script installs can be run only after that time

running scripted installs of any kind at T-13 is already late for inf based installs that are just transferring files and reg settings (the point where true setup installs are over and switchless installes kick in)

.net requires more then simple settings (needing its setup routines ran from an already running desktop! mostly Recommended

same like it is impossible, nothing initially can make it substantial as a true addon.

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Post by DaRk MaDnEsS » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:46 pm

ENU_user wrote:since files are only needing to be placed @locations with the setup & with nothing else planned to run prior to T-13

files are only being slapped into there location with very basic reg entries using only inf based installations till that point

dedicated scripts or original script installs can be run only after that time

running scripted installs of any kind at T-13 is already late for inf based installs that are just transferring files and reg settings (the point where true setup installs are over and switchless installes kick in)

.net requires more then simple settings (needing its setup routines ran from an already running desktop! mostly Recommended

same like it is impossible, nothing initially can make it substantial as a true addon.
hmm :shock: that is a bad thing sadly a true addon would have helped

any way thx Eng_User for your answer

and thx nonno fabio and Onepiece for your hard work guys

back to svcpack :wink:

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Post by ahmerkhan » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:19 am

Dotnet True Addon will remain only in Onepiece :D
Now Please Stop asking for 2nd piece .... LOL

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Post by Jamshed_11946 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:19 am

mindcurd wrote:Dotnet True Addon will remain only in Onepiece :D
Now Please Stop asking for 2nd piece .... LOL

What kind of my country fellow are you??????
I am really shocked from your this kind of response response.
One country fellow wants to learn anything and you are giving response as............

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Post by ccl0 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:37 pm

Jamshed_11946 wrote:
mindcurd wrote:Dotnet True Addon will remain only in Onepiece :D
Now Please Stop asking for 2nd piece .... LOL

What kind of my country fellow are you??????
I am really shocked from your this kind of response response.
One country fellow wants to learn anything and you are giving response as............

Jamshed i think your sig fits you well. you need to chill. notice his reply had a smiley face? that means he was trying to be funny, not rude.

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Post by Kelsenellenelvian » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:19 pm

We are also really shocked at your demanding of us to make you an addon.

Especially after you have been told we do not get paid for this...

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Post by Jay » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:18 pm

What is this "request" business does it mean that you just request what you desire and somebody just bows to your needs like ordering a pizza,
FFS get real jamshed, you are so rude you should be banned from here.

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Post by Siginet » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:37 pm

I think this is one of those threads that everyone gets mad because of misunderstandings due to different cultures. Some cultures are demanding while others aren't. Also some cultures do not know when someone is being funny because they don't read the post in the same way as it was intended.

Bottom line is we all would love to see some true addons for dotnet. But the chances of it happening is slim to none. OnePiece did the impossible and created a 1.1 dotnet true addon. Which is very cool. Which probably got everyones hopes up for other true dotnet addons. But if OnePiece says he can not do it... then I'd have to say the other dotnet addons may remain switchless installer for a very long time. I would have to say (and I bet most in here will agree) OnePiece is one of the greatest Addon creators in here. He has made so many UpdatePack/Addons of so many things that people were requesting. Plus many other great addon creators are in this thread saying that it is not possible or worth the effort to create one.
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Post by TranceEnergy » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:26 am

Siginet wrote:I think this is one of those threads that everyone gets mad because of misunderstandings due to different cultures. Some cultures are demanding while others aren't. Also some cultures do not know when someone is being funny because they don't read the post in the same way as it was intended.
These wise words should be sticked in every forum, every subforum, at least in some way to have all readers read it, and thus hopefully understand it.

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Post by ahmerkhan » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:57 am

:twisted:

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Post by Kelsenellenelvian » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:46 am

Now, now mindcurd don't be a tease....

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Post by DaRk MaDnEsS » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:28 am

well since this Request has ended.

and now we know that Onepiece couldnt make it an addon ><

but thx for his hard work any way

i guess now there is no need for this topic any more

so i suggest Closing it << man i talk too much just close this topic

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Post by ahmerkhan » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:18 pm

DaRk MaDnEsS wrote:well since this Request has ended.

and now we know that Onepiece couldnt make it an addon ><

but thx for his hard work any way

i guess now there is no need for this topic any more

so i suggest Closing it << man i talk too much just close this topic

Please don't close/Lock this thread. hope someone will fulfill the request in future.
Not onepiece :cry:

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Post by ccl0 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:05 pm

mindcurd wrote:
Please don't close/Lock this thread. hope someone will fulfill the request in future.
Not onepiece :cry:

if he cant do it i doubt anyone else can

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Post by DaRk MaDnEsS » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:50 pm

well even if some one could make it an addon <<<which i hope some one can

b/c from what i understand only a file needed to run from Svcpack

so it`s possible maybe be hard but it`s still possible

so this topic is not needed :wink:

he would try it and then post it that`s all

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Post by 5eraph » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:19 am

I won't lock a thread without at least one of the following three conditions being met:
  1. Request of the original thread starter.
  2. Forum rule violation (including rules of common sense).
  3. Major social malfunction between members.
If you want a thread to die then ignore it, or at least stop bumping it with new posts. ;)

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