5eraph's post-SP2 Update Pack v2017-06_2

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Post by 5eraph » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:52 pm

Use RVMi first for the update pack, addons, etc. Then use the slipstreamer.

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Post by trippinferret » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:11 am

Just finished integrating my XP X64 CD with latest updatepack and driver fix and everything installed perfectly including the sound drivers.
"Thanks for the great updatepack"

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Post by crashfly » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:18 pm

Since you did explain the process to me 5eraph, I redid my install CD and added the activex killbits patch to the runonce process. Since I am not going to remove the installers that are causing this problem, just "re-adding" the patch after the process fixes it as well.

You have done a great job 5eraph. Please keep up the great work.
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Post by RickSteele » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:49 am

@ 5eraph

"Microsoft Releases Blu-Ray Media Support for Windows XP"

headsup here: http://www.winvistacentral.net/

download here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en

(Windows Authentication required)

IMAPI_SRV2003_x64.exe installs without issue on XP 64-bit and updates the files properly.

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Post by Raoul90 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:40 pm

Is WGA (wgav/wgan) allready included in this package?

If not, does X64 use the same WGAV/WGAN as X86?

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Post by RickSteele » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:13 pm

Is WGA (wgav/wgan) allready included in this package?

No

If not, does X64 use the same WGAV/WGAN as X86?

I shouldn't think this will be a problem; you don't require the full blown, phone M$, run in the background thing. The web page comes up stating you need to allow the activeX to install if you haven't already; it does it's thing and sends you right along to the download-nothing running in the background etc.

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Post by code65536 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:33 pm

does X64 use the same WGAV/WGAN as X86?
I don't have a 64-bit NT 5.x system (only a 64-bit NT 6.x system where WGA is already built-in), so I don't know what it uses, but I can make a pretty good guess. WGAV is used by IE to validate downloads and Windows Update. You are always running the 32-bit IE, even on 64-bit systems. Since WGAV must run within a 32-bit IE process, it must itself be 32-bit even if the system is 64-bit. So yes, it should be the same as the x86 version (WGAV). There is no reason whatsoever to get WGAN except to get Windows Update to shut up about it.
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Post by Kurt_Aust » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:06 am

Raoul90 wrote:Is WGA (wgav/wgan) allready included in this package?
No, nor is it needed. XP x64 does not require WGA in order to run Windows Update, possibly because there aren't dodgy VLK copies floating around.

To download some files (WMP11 for example) you will need to run GenuineCheck.exe and paste the resultant code in order to get the download.

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Post by RickSteele » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:30 am

Yes, GenuineCheck.exe is the program I was thinking of; both code and Kurt are exactly right (I don't know what I was thinking)....on the pre download page it is called Windows Geniune Advantage-go here to learn more: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downlo ... laylang=en
I, however, have no M$ update concerns about this; it does not even show up on any list after a fresh install; I, of course, use 5eraph's update pack.
I never run IE7 64-bit-complete waste of code and space; it does not have anywhere near the functionality of 32-bit.

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Post by Passion » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:59 am

Kurt_Aust wrote:XP x64 does not require WGA in order to run Windows Update, possibly because there aren't dodgy VLK copies floating around.
Hmm.. about the only copies floating around in p2p of XP x64 are those with VLKeys, so I'm not sure what you mean by "dodgy" in this regard.

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Post by 5eraph » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:21 pm

Raoul90 wrote:Is WGA (wgav/wgan) allready included in this package?

If not, does X64 use the same WGAV/WGAN as X86?
WGA is not necessary to visit the Microsoft Update or Windows Update websites with XP x64. Microsoft has not created a WGA tool (V or N) that works with XP x64, probably because it is not popular as a consumer-level OS. So, no, I don't include WGA.
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Kurt_Aust wrote:XP x64 does not require WGA in order to run Windows Update, possibly because there aren't dodgy VLK copies floating around.
Hmm.. about the only copies floating around in p2p of XP x64 are those with VLKeys...
A corporate (VLK) edition of XP x64 has existed "in the wild" since the OS was released in 2005. Let's leave it at that.

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Post by Raoul90 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:23 am

What program do you recommend to integrate the package?
Newest nLite or newest Integrator betà build?

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Post by crashfly » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:33 pm

This update pack is actually compatible with both nLite *and* the Integrator.

I myself use nlite, only because I make a lot of other changes too. If you are *just* looking integration of updates (little to no customization), then use the Integrator.
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Post by Raoul90 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:23 pm

crashfly wrote:This update pack is actually compatible with both nLite *and* the Integrator.

I myself use nlite, only because I make a lot of other changes too. If you are *just* looking integration of updates (little to no customization), then use the Integrator.
Yes i read that.
And yes i know about both programs.

But at the Dutch updatepack, integrator is recommend because nLite messes up with some files.

So thats why i asked.

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Post by 5eraph » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:11 pm

I always test my update pack for use with the Integrator and nLite. They work equally well, with the current exception of the DrvIndex.inf issue with the Integrator which should be fixed by the time I release this month's update pack. :)

Regarding release: I'm currently out of town visiting family, but I'll be home well before Patch Tuesday. I don't anticipate any delays.

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Post by RickSteele » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:33 pm

I can confirm the update pack works with both, but, one has to watch the excessive memory issue outlined by 5eraph on the first page of this thread when using nlite. You just have to make sure you use the correct pack for your needs-IE6 or IE7.
Also, you can use Integrator to slipstream the pack, run Boooggy's WMP11 slipstreamer in advanced options to integrate WMP11 and all specific updates in one operation, then, use nlite to customize further-either and or-very versatile!
However, I have only used the English version of Windows.
Does nhui know about the Dutch nlite issues?

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Post by TranceEnergy » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:52 pm

I wish to try the 5eraph pack on next install perhaps, but i want to know 2 things.

Would the following be ok?:

1. First i run a batch file that integrates some hotfixes that are run from svcpack. I like to do that, because nlite will just add them by that method anyway, but i like to use the MS method if i can.
2. I run wmp11 ss with all that jazz.
3. Nlite process with the 5eraph pack + all updates i have that are not in the pack.

Or should i first integrate the pack?

and 2 - the big one, are there are updates that i can also skip that are not mentioned on the pack's list of kb's?

I guess thats the most important thing for me to know, as i dont like adding a kb in the nlite process along with the 5eraph pack that i dont actually need to. OR something that i shouldnt add because of the 5eraph pack that could break the install.

As you can tell, i'm very fond of not fixing what's not broken, but i also would like to finally try the pack. If i can be certain to get it "perfect".

I realize it can be a difficult question to answear, but i think once we know what are the actual differences, adding together the 5eraph pack with the complete list would be better. I sort of need a confidence boost knowing im doing things right, i guess.

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Post by RickSteele » Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:27 am

TranceEnergy wrote:1. First i run a batch file that integrates some hotfixes that are run from svcpack. I like to do that, because nlite will just add them by that method anyway, but i like to use the MS method if i can.
Yes, but, check svcpack.inf to ensure the updates are listed to run in the order you want
TranceEnergy wrote:2. I run wmp11 ss with all that jazz.
After update pack and any miscellaneous updates
TranceEnergy wrote:3. Nlite process with the 5eraph pack + all updates i have that are not in the pack.
Yes
TranceEnergy wrote:Or should i first integrate the pack?
Preferred
TranceEnergy wrote:and 2 - the big one, are there are updates that i can also skip that are not mentioned on the pack's list of kb's?
I don't know

As you can tell, i'm very fond of not fixing what's not broken, but i also would like to finally try the pack. If i can be certain to get it "perfect".

, but, so far 5eraph has been festedious in this regard. The update pack includes all that you require to have a fast stable up-to-date XP (x64); minus, of course, that which he specifies in the beginning of the thread: ie: IE7 and updates, WMP11 and updates-use Boooggy's program and all that he recommends for updates to slipstream this-and M$ runtimes; eg: DotNet anything, MSXML 6.0 or 6.0 SP 2, etc.

I am now typing this on the following fresh realtime install:

with nlite:

5eraph's January update pack, all the pending hotfixes he specifies will be included in February's pack, IMAPI_SRV2003_x64-runs at T-13, IE7 and relevant updates, drivers, tweaks; all in one operation


using Boooggy's latest slipstreamer-always after any OS specific updates/packs

WMP11 and all the updates Boooggy recommends

nlite to create and burn the ISO

All went perfectly; no errors, just a really nice install experience. The OS has never run so well.
....hope this helps

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Post by Passion » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:35 pm

@5eraph; Maybe this is helpful:

WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB950098-v2-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB956372-v2-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB959252-v2-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB961071-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB961151-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB961415-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB961515-x64-ENU.exe

All these had some kind of failure or "file is newer" warning when I tried to nLite them post these:
- your update-pack 2009 01-1 via RVMi
- direct-x x64 + x86 and the .NET x64 pack via RVMi
- boooggy's WMP11 slipstreamer+hotfixes

Those MS KB's did integrate fine though, using the normal /integrate: /nobackup parameters before using nLite.
And the ones that worked smooth within nLite were:

WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB952185-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB952206-v2-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB955407-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB955543-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB958910-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB959194-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB960652-x64-ENU.exe
WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB961160-x64-ENU.exe

And one I passed on using RunOnceEx during install;

msxml6-KB954459-enu-amd64.exe

(even though IE7 is not in the target image). I'm anxiously awaiting your clean upcoming pack. Right on!

By the way, you might want to consider including a patched tcpip.sys
the current version is 5.2.3790.4331 (srv03_sp2_qfe.080710-1313)
and it can be patched using http://half-open.com/download_en.htm
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Post by 5eraph » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:25 pm

Your post is helpful to me, Passion. Specifically...
Passion wrote:All these had some kind of failure or "file is newer" warning when I tried to nLite them post these:
- your update-pack from 1-1 via RVMi
As it should be, Passion. This is what I found when looking into your first list:
  • KB950098-v2 - This hotfix only updates the following files which are not present in XP x64:
    • posix.exe
    • psxdll.dll
    • psxss.exe
    KB956372-v2 - This hotfix only updates the following files which are not present in XP x64:
    • datascrn.sys
    • quota.sys
    KB959252-v2 - Superseded by KB960228 which has been in the update pack since v2008-12_1.
    • win32k.sys - 4415 > 4398
    KB961071 - This hotfix only updates the following files which are not present in XP x64:
    • ntdsutil.exe
    • dsdbutil.exe
    • wntdsutil.exe (File exists in source without accompanying entries in DOSNet.inf or TxtSetup.sif.)
    KB961151 - This hotfix only updates the following file which is not present in XP x64:
    • tsadmin.exe
    KB961415 - This hotfix only updates the following files which are not present in XP x64:
    • psxdll.dll
    • wpsxdll_thunked.dll
    KB961515 - This hotfix only updates the following files which are not present in XP x64:
    • certpdef.dll
    • wcertpdef.dll
Passion wrote:And the ones that worked smooth within nLite were [...]
Concerning your second list:
  • KB952185 - Checking into this one.
    KB952206-v2 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
    KB955407 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
    KB955543 - Checking into this one.
    KB958910 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
    KB959194 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
    KB960652 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
    KB961160 - This will be in update pack v2009-02_1.
Passion wrote:And one I passed on using RunOnceEx during install;

msxml6-KB954459-enu-amd64.exe
I still don't plan to ever include MSXML 6.0 for reasons stated previously. As you've mentioned, that update does install properly when executed at RunOnceEx.

And finally,
Passion wrote:By the way, you might want to consider including a patched tcpip.sys
I won't include patched/hacked system files. Many purists like myself don't want them or entirely trust them. Thank you for finding a utility that may work with XP x64; I'm sure many may find it useful. :)

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Post by Passion » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:18 pm

- wntdsutil.exe is for Active Directory administration. I don't need it, but it doesn't do any harm being there either.
- Same for tsadmin.exe; Terminal Server Administration. Terminal Server is part of XP x64, so it might come in handy..
- certpdef.dll - wouldn't mind having that there either, depending on how the OS will be used..

Most of this seems to come down to the option to use your XP x64 install as a server (which can easily be done).


By the way, driver32.cab is left in the root after using your updatepack with RVMi 1.5.4.beta09, what should I do with it? It looks like it has updated versions of the driver32.cab from the AMD64 folder, so I reckon I'd overwrite the old cab?

Best of luck creating the greatest of all update-packs, I hope it will be available soon!

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Post by 5eraph » Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:17 pm

Updated to 2009-02_1. RVMi users must update to v1.5.4_b10. Please read the Changelog for full details.

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Post by RickSteele » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:13 am

Using nlite for everything 2009-02_1 installs without any errors; using RVMi v1.5.4_b10 for update pack, addon slipstream and to run Boooggy's WMP11 slipstreamer in advanced options, nlite for the tweaks, IE7 and updates, etc. I got a 27kb setup error log all relating to improperly signed files; mostly relating to IE...so, I think nlite isn't playing nice with RVMi. The Driver32 error is fixed.
Both were fresh realtime installs.
Excellent pack again 5eraph!; thanks very much.

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Post by trippinferret » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:26 am

Just installed your latest pack and it worked perfectly "thanks heaps".
Keep them packs coming.

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Post by 5eraph » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:52 am

Updated to 2009-02_2. RVMi users are recommended to update to v1.5.4_b12 RVMi v1.6. Please read the Changelog for full details.

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Post by TranceEnergy » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:30 pm

I'm working up the other list here to be more useable towards your pack 5eraph. And so far it's going great. Not done yet, but i'd love your input, as always.

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Post by RickSteele » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:36 pm

Your update pack is flawless 5eraph; thanks. the latest one, as all before it, along with Boooggy's WMP 11 install without issue, for me anyways...thanks again

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Post by RickSteele » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:30 am

@5eraph

MSXML 4.0SP3 final

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... 139e6819c0

You probably already know, but, just in case.....This looks like it supercedes all MSXML 4.0 before it, making SP2, and any related hotfixes, obselete.

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Post by 5eraph » Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:31 pm

MSXML 4 SP3 does supersede SP2, which is what I have in the current pack. One thing I'm finding unusual about SP3 is that it installs nothing in the "%SystemRoot%\WinSxS\Policies" directory, unlike previous versions.

I've been working my way through TranceEnergy's new list since it was posted. It's been slow going. I'll know for certain how many make it in by Patch Tuesday.

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Post by scarface » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:23 pm

yes it seems quite difficult for this one. It doesnt install anything in policies but is present in systemroot/WinSxS and manifests. dont know how to do that. Im tempted to modify last kb.

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Post by TranceEnergy » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:25 pm

I'm sorry the list looks so messy, i never have found customizing post easy with the forum controls, and like html notepad coding i stopped doing 2 decades ago.

Anyway, i did edit the main post so that all KB's that start with "***" symbols indicates what's not in 5eraph's pack.

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Post by scarface » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:54 pm

the pack of 5eraph seems good but almost all files are present twice. perhas a particularity of xp64 but this pack could be less big. I still wonder if I install xp64 on my old laptop. I think its not necessary since its a t2330 1.6ghz. Im above all afraid of the incompatibility. I use and modify driverpack and it would be lost. and i like my pack in french. perhaps I could do a pack for xp64 in my free time. yes im unemployed and I prefer doing pack than being arrested by the police during the night. my old car is making noise im afraid i couldnt change it. i dont know how i will wander in paris without it.

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Post by TranceEnergy » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:47 am

Here i disagree. I see no problem how how big a update pack is, how many hotfixes it takes. As long as it is updating files that are natively found on xp x64 sp2, it's still just going to be like perhaps 1-10mb larger iso, if you are, as i said, just updating files already existing in the first place. Which is why i created the complete list to begin with.

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Post by scarface » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:43 pm

thats not the problem. files are present twice in the pack and the double files are preceded with w in another folder. thats why it weighs 51mb. my pack contains over 120 hotfix and is 31Mb for the extralite version.

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Post by Passion » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:21 pm

scarface wrote:thats not the problem. files are present twice in the pack and the double files are preceded with w in another folder. thats why it weighs 51mb. my pack contains over 120 hotfix and is 31Mb for the extralite version.
Do you have a non-french 64 bit version of that somewhere for download? (PM me if that's the only way)

By the way, you do realize that they're not the same files in all cases? As in, a x64 version and a 32bit version.

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Post by scarface » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:29 pm

no my pack is 32bit and yes I realize they are not the same. i just wanted to know why most files of the 5eraph pack are present twice. I think only him can answer.(his pack would be closer to 30Mb in this case) at the begining I discussed about msxml4 sp3 and its integration. till now noone has integrated it and it seems difficult. tomorrow if new packs are out we'll see if its present in the nonno pack.

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Post by 5eraph » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:40 pm

Passion is correct, scarface. Files in x64_I386 are 32-bit, the others are 64-bit. The 32-bit versions are needed for Windows on Windows 64-bit emulation.

MSXML 4.0 SP3 isn't terribly difficult. In fact, it's a little easier than previous versions because there are fewer files.

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Post by scarface » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:56 am

ok 5eraph. in fact I believed they were the same. I tested two files and they had the same size and hash despite they dont have the same name some files are preceded with w.

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Post by 5eraph » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:52 am

Updated to 2009-03_1. Please read the Changelog for full details.

Download speeds from MediaFire are currently very bad (less than 10 KB per second). Hopefully they improve in short order.

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Post by scarface » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:11 am

choose sharebee. if you want i can temporarily host your file but if there are a lot of download I dont know if my host will be happy. I currently download it at 3kb/s

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Post by 5eraph » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:46 am

Thanks for the recommendation, scarface. I've added a "Sharebee mirrors" link to the first post.

I have a 2 Mbit/s uplink here at home. Downloads at dialup speeds are unacceptable.

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Post by code65536 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:02 am

5eraph wrote:I have a 2 Mbit/s uplink here at home.
*envies*
My addons: CmdOpen - HashCheck - Notepad2 - MS Runtimes - DirectX

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Post by TranceEnergy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:40 am

5er_UpdatePack_XPx64SP2_2009-03_1.7z - Life just turned into heaven!

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Post by Passion » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:23 am

TranceEnergy wrote:5er_UpdatePack_XPx64SP2_2009-03_1.7z - Life just turned into heaven!
Indeed, thank you both for the hard work!

By the way, 5eraph, isn't a .torrent for this a much smarter option if you have a 2 Mbit/s uplink?

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Post by 5eraph » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:19 pm

Thanks for the compliments. :)

I've been considering setting up a tracker here using Azureus. I just don't know if I want to dedicate my bandwidth full-time to seeding. A nine-year-old PC is sitting here waiting to be repurposed for the task to mitigate some of the security issues, but it needs an IDE hard drive. I may be able to have it running in a few days.

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Post by RickSteele » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:56 pm

Quite simply awesome 5eraph; installed without a hitch and man what a difference-this is your best yet in my opinion; thanks

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Post by trippinferret » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:57 pm

Hi 5eraph.

Just slipstreamed and installed your latest updatepack and it works perfectly, this may be a silly question but would this latest updatepack work with X64 Windows Server 2003 R2 SP2.

Excellent work as always.

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Post by 5eraph » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:45 am

Differences exist between some of the binaries in the x64 versions of 2003 and XP. The first example that comes to mind is KB925876, but others exist. If you download that update and take a peek inside, you'll notice four folders (ia, id, ip, is) corresponding to 2003 Advanced Server, 2003 Datacenter Server, XP Professional, and 2003 Server (respectively). I include only the XP file version in these cases.

In other cases such as KB944043, extra files are installed for 2003 that are not installed for XP; I don't include those files in my update pack.

Integrating my update pack into Windows 2003 may be possible, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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Post by TranceEnergy » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:20 pm

Okay so IE 8 final is out...... Gonna check it out now!

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Post by RickSteele » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:05 am

IE8 rtm works fine for me so far; much faster than all those before it and I'm not noticing much in the way of performance differences one over the other comparing IE8 to Safari 4 or Google Chrome.

Back on topic, I just did a fresh realtime install using Integrator 1.6 for March's "IE7" update pack and Boooggy's latest-along with his WMP11 hotfixes-in advanced options, no IE7 slipstream or IE6 update pack-right to IE8 install after setup. It all worked perfectly, typing this on the result now.

Nice....very nice 5eraph-like Trance says....heaven!

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