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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:14 pm

Hello all,
In my turkish version xp sp2 hotfixed computer, my windows version seems as: Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr_.050301-1519

and in my vmware; windows xp sp2 ryanvm 122b full, windows version is: Build 2600.xpsp.050301-1521

So, there is a kernel update I think in ryans pack that maked 1519 to 1521. and the question, which one is it?

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Post by 5eraph » Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:40 pm

Assuming you're using the same source disc I would guess there is a slight difference between Turkish and English versions as Ryan's pack hasn't been translated to that language yet. I've experienced something similar, but in my case the difference seems to lie between XP Media Center Edition and XP Professional.

In any case, I think the versions are about the same since the version build times are only two minutes apart: 1519=3:19pm, 1521=3:21pm. Both are dated: 050301=March 1st, 2005.

I am curious to know what the "gdr" means exactly, does anyone know?
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Post by RyanVM » Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:55 pm

http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... -us;824994

For the record, I use the QFE versions of the files.
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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:30 pm

5eraph, i think gdr means updgrade for windows os.as rtm ia release to manufacturers(or sth like that)

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Post by 5eraph » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:40 pm

Here is what I read: (thanks for the link, Ryan :))
The GDR package contains only the security update.
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The QFE package contains the security update and the hotfixes.
This seems to suggest that QFE packages are more up-to-date, but possibly less stable.
Hotfixes are produced quickly to provide immediate assistance to specific Microsoft customers. Therefore, hotfixes may not be tested as thoroughly...
As buggy as Microsoft products can be, I still prefer a quick fix instead of no fix at all.

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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:12 pm

Yeah good point 5eraph.

Windows xp sp2 (no hotfixes) about box says this:
Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158 : Service pack 2
After installing a hotfix it becomes Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr_.050301-1519.
I will find which one is it.

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Post by 5eraph » Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:43 pm

The GDR shown in your new version number indicates that you didn't use a hotfix, but some other kind of update. The full quote from the link above (with some paraphrasing) says this:
Hotfixes are produced quickly to provide immediate assistance to specific Microsoft customers. Therefore, hotfixes may not be tested as thoroughly as security updates, critical updates, updates, update rollups, drivers, and feature packs. Microsoft maintains different development environments to isolate [these other updates] from hotfixes... [to minimize] the risk for customers by allowing them to install only fixes that address widespread critical issues...
But in answer to your question of which update changed the version, the only one that I can find that relevantly changes the file NTOSKRNL.EXE, which I believe to be related to the Windows version number, can be found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 5-018.mspx

When you downloaded that specific update for your current install, the GDR version was applied. Ryan applies the QFE version in the UpdatePack. Otherwise they are the same. NTOSKRNL.EXE is updated to version 5.1.2600.2622 either way.

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Post by MrNxDmX » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:45 pm

Yes 5eraph, you found it right.
Windowsxp-kb890859-x86-***.exe makes the change to windows version.But i am not sure about NTOSKRNL.EXE. There is a list of files here.One of them may be.

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:21 pm

5eraph, re-read the article. By default, the vast majority of hotfixes install the GDR version of the fix, since it's less-likely to have regressions. The QFE version is actually installed as well, however. That's what's in the $hf_mig$ folder within c:\Windows. The KB article explains why.
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Post by 5eraph » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:39 pm

I don't mean to argue, but you're slightly mistaken. If the GDR version is installed then the QFE versions are merely copied for later use, not installed in addition. That GDR build may include previous GDR-type updates, but not hotfixes because they haven't undergone what Microsoft would consider sufficient testing. How much testing is required to make a hotfix become an update only they know. The QFE version will be installed by default if a hotfix has already been installed that wasn't included in the last update. Here's the quote from the article:
When a security update, critical update, update, update rollup, driver, or feature pack installs GDR version files, the hotfix files are also copied to the %windir%\$hf_mig$ folder. This supports migration to the appropriate files if you later install a hotfix or service pack that includes earlier versions of these files. For example, consider the following scenario:

1. You apply a security update that installs a GDR version of File.dll with a version number of 5.2.3790.1000 and copies a hotfix version of File.dll with a version number of 5.2.3790.1000 to the %windir%\$hf_mig$ folder.

2. You apply a hotfix that includes a hotfix version of File.dll with a version number of 5.2.3790.0000.
In this scenario the hotfix installation in step 2 installs the hotfix version of File.dll (version number 5.2.3790.1000) from the %windir%\$hf_mig$ folder instead of the hotfix version of File.dll (version number 5.2.3790.0000) from the hotfix package.
It makes me wonder if a hotfix is ever left out of a current update if that hotfix was issued between two previous GDR-type updates. Maybe it would explain the problems with the TWEXT updates?
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Post by RyanVM » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:33 pm

You're saying exactly what I said. The GDR version is installed by default and the QFE version is copied to $hf_mig$ in the event it's needed later.
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Post by 5eraph » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:38 pm

RyanVM wrote:The QFE version is actually installed as well...
I must have misunderstood. I didn't know you meant copied. :)

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Post by RyanVM » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:44 pm

Well, I suppose I could have stated that better than I did :P
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Post by MrNxDmX » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:38 pm

So,thanks to both Ryan and 5eraph for making me get some idea about gdr and qfe.
And lets come to first question: which hotfix/update/security patch makes the second change in windows version, makes it ******.1521
No problem if you don't know.

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Post by 5eraph » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:38 pm

I believe it's the same update. You can test this by forcing it to install the QFE version with this command line:

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Windowsxp-kb890859-x86-***.exe /B:SP2QFE
where *** is your language version. You should then have the same version that's included in Ryan's UpdatePack.

EDIT:
Changed command-line switch to install QFE version for WinXP Service Pack 2, not WinXP RTM.

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Post by MrNxDmX » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:39 am

Guess what,i'm testing 1,3 pack,and new windows version,
Version 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp.050504-1703 : Service Pack 2)

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