Microsoft .NET Framework 4 KB2468871 (Massive Updates)

cybpsych · Post by **cybpsych** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:44 am

Introduce no less than 6 new features and provide fixes for no less than 35 issues!

Read more: http://news.softpedia.com/news/NET-Fram ... 4676.shtml

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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=41bdce1f-3cb3-44bb-9b33-23a1b8c99ac3

http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/B/F/2BF4D7D1-E781-4EE0-9E4F-FDD44A2F8934/NDP40-KB2468871-v2-x86.exe

ricktendo64 · Post by **ricktendo64** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:12 am

Wonder if there is a x64 version

Edit: nm got it (just changed the x86 to x64 in the url)

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:33 pm

when did it update to v2?? Is it identical to v1?

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Just downloaded it.
It's newer than v1. The download is available on 6/6(as shown in the download info page) but the msp inside is last modified on 4/7.

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The link in KB2468871's KB article is not updated and does not work for now.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:08 am

Locally built into my .NET releases.

I'll wait to see whether there are other updates on this patch Tuesday before I update them publicly.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:06 am

@yumeyao Great! Can you also please make a switchless installer for an up-to-date x64 version of .net 4 for windows 7, with all the updates? The only working solution out there is this one, but an alternative would be most welcomed.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:33 am

I have the tutorial on .NET 4.. Anyone can make it easily.

ccl0 · Post by **ccl0** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:05 am

does this still slow down xp like it did before?

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:43 am

If I'll get a preview link I'll gladly test it before its release, to see whether ngen 4 service still has to be put to manual or not. Or we'll find out in 5 days.

And about the tutorial... hope some other member of this forum will make such a switcless instaleer for an up-to-date x64 .net 4 with all the updates.

Post by **user_hidden** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:29 am

RicaNeaga wrote:If I'll get a preview link I'll gladly test it before its release, to see whether ngen 4 service still has to be put to manual or not. Or we'll find out in 5 days.

And about the tutorial... hope some other member of this forum will make such a switcless instaleer for an up-to-date x64 .net 4 with all the updates.

ngen still has to be placed on Manual for XP.
my updated installer does do the above during install so the
startup and desktop appears normally and not slowed.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:00 am

@user_hidden Then that's that.

Thanks for the info.

What about an up-to-date version of .net framework for windows 7 x64? Will you have time for it?

Post by **user_hidden** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:45 pm

RicaNeaga wrote:@user_hidden Then that's that. Thanks for the info.

What about an up-to-date version of .net framework for windows 7 x64? Will you have time for it?

unfortunately i don't do x64

i'm sure in time someone will release one.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:51 pm

someone pmed me for re-upload my .NET 4 tutorial, claiming he intend to do an automated script for that. Don't know when he will finish and whether he'll support x64.

I'll release a pre-release for test soon.

dumpydooby · Post by **dumpydooby** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:35 pm

I had thought about making an automated script as well, but it would be a lot of work.

You can host your video on the web space I gave you man. It's not a problem.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:35 am

A pre-release here. As M$ June 2011 Advanced Security Bulletin claims, a new bundle of .NET Framework updates is available. I'll add them into this pack then.

For the .NET 4 slowing down xp issue, add -fo(only needed when you manually install the installer, already done in the addon) to see what happens.

The download link is:
http://yumeyao.xpdnc.org/DotNetFXAIO_40 ... on_ENU.cab

Changelog:
Updated SFX Module to 1.4.1.2100
.NET 2.0: Added KB2446704-v2, replaces KB983583
.NET 4.0: Added KB2468871-v2(SP1 - v2??) replaces all previous hotfixes
Added the ability to run full pre-compile for .NET 4.

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link updated. see below.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:57 am

Tried the addon from your link, yumeyao, and I get an error. You can see it here.

tried it via nlite and in a virtual pc environment (win 7 sp1 x64) , but I really don't think it matters, since net from 1.1 to 3.5 installed just fine, as everything else.

If you'll have time to upload a fixed pre-release version I'll test that also asap.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:15 pm

http://yumeyao.xpdnc.org/DotNetFXAIO_40 ... on_ENU.cab

Fixed. Actually I was too careless and the whole .net 4 branch is not updated(only msi is updated, but other files are not correct). Thanks for your feedback.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:09 pm

Tested it. Everything seems ok, all .net packs are installed as you can see here.

About the state of .ngen 4 service, it's set on automatic, and so the problem is still there. Setting it to manual as usual resolves the problem. I think that slowing down xp is a new feature of .net framework 4 from Microsoft's point of view. unfortunately...

Seriously, maybe you should spend time doing anything else then seeing if Microsoft fixed their problem every now and then. I really think they don't care about xp users. And since the solution is harmless (setting that not-vital service to manual) maybe we also shouldn't bother no more.

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:36 pm

did some searching, a possible fix here other than turn it to manual:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2947 ... mework-4-0

C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\NGEN update

This pack, however, uses the old command-line from 2.0, that is ngen executequeueditems, which is useful for .NET 2.0~3.5, but seems not resolving the issue in .NET 4. I'll try using ngen update and see what happens.

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I'll try using following command lines in following releases:
ngen update /queue
ngen executequeueditems
maybe it's possible to add the missing assemblies into msi database but I just don't want to hack the wholething and doing this is much easier.

mr_smartepants · Post by **mr_smartepants** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:30 am

The commands I use in my (Win7) batch script are:

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start /wait %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\ngen executequeueditems
IF EXIST %SystemRoot%\SysWOW64 start /wait %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\ngen executequeueditems

This spawns a command window that takes about 5 min to finish.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:40 am

@yumeyao If you want me to test a pre-release with a new solution for the startup slowdown I'll gladly do it.

Post by **user_hidden** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:24 am

what i picked up a long time ago was that this will solve the issue but i haven't noticed a difference.
Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\ngen update

what i placed in my doNet-AIO was this

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\clr_optimization_v4.0.30319_32]
"Type"=dword:00000010
"Start"=dword:00000003

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:11 am

I used to set it to manual in previous releases, but I'd like to look into it.

@RicaNeaga,
I have done 3 tests. 2 tests on original xp sp3 and installed on the 'live' system, one for only .NET 4, another for full, last one on an updated at T-13. But I can't reproduce the issue. But yes, on a very old system, I have reproduced the issues and when I executed 'ngen update' I could see a lot of images being compiled.

Let me explain my test routine:
install VC 8/9/10 first, then using dotnetfx.exe with -ai and -fo switches.
on a cmd window, type:
cd c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v4.0.30319
ngen executequeueditems
ngen update

so could you try typing the commands above and report the displayed messages, and explain whether you have used the -ai and -fo switches, and describe whether you feels the system is slow.

Thanks.

Outbreaker · Post by **Outbreaker** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:39 am

Setting it to manual i think is the best way to avoid getting the problem agang if a little HotFix for .NET v4 is getting installed.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:14 pm

@yumeyao first of all sorry for beeing late with my answer. i've been rather busy.

strangely I tried installing windows xp nlited as usual without the net addon on an intel laptop. after installing your pack with -ai -fo switches, everything is fine, no slowdowns whatsoever, and the service is on automatic.

I'll try it again on my amd system.

RicaNeaga · Post by **RicaNeaga** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:14 am

Ok... so now I can draw a conclusion.

Also on my other system the slowdown is not present... Or (to be more accurate) it is but it's not noticeable. A 2-3 seconds slowdown is liveable... in the past the slowdown lasted at least 30 seconds.

Why? Well, although the ngen service is set on automatic, an it starts at windows logon, it immediately stops. Why? This I don't know.

Maybe it's something Microsoft has done, maybe the -ai -fo arguments has something to do with it.

And btw, when I type that command, only the c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v4.0.30319 windows opens in full width and then restores down (shrinks down). So there's no message I can report.

ricktendo64 · Post by **ricktendo64** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:29 am

I find this stops the slow startup (no need to edit service)

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start /wait %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\ngen executequeueditems

If you use the new waitnet execute it with /e

.NET framework 4 integration/editing tutorial for dummies

http://www.wincert.net/forum/index.php? ... __p__73643

Post by **user_hidden** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:16 pm

ricktendo64 wrote:I find this stops the slow startup (no need to edit service)
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start /wait %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\ngen executequeueditems
If you use the new waitnet execute it with /e

doesn't waitnet.exe with "/e' execute net2 ngen and not net4 ngen ?

ricktendo64 · Post by **ricktendo64** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:55 pm

I thought it did them ALL

Post by **user_hidden** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:23 pm

nope.....look at the assembly source:

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	szNGEN_PATH db "\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\ngen.exe",0
	szNGEN_PARAMETER db "executequeueditems",0

Post by **user_hidden** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:59 pm

@Ricktendo64

i have to run out so i have no time to test.
attached is WAITnet.exe that will execute the net4 ngen instead of the net2 ngen when using /e switch.

based on the Yumeyao version from 20100811

File: WaitNET_ngen4.7z
CRC-32: 8aa86b3b
MD4: 88c698c9064b920238b8e88cb096d13f
MD5: 20973b6afed691bc00d244bab389918e
SHA-1: b5553ec7304836b4199ceda37ebc7947bbe5cb98

let me know ......

yumeyao · Post by **yumeyao** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:09 pm

I have already included waitnet4.exe in latest pre-release versions...