Re RyanVM jre6 and jre5010 switchless installers

DLF · Post by **DLF** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:24 am

@ anyone

Are these installers for different runtimes and are both required to safely run all java web content from our install CD's? Or does one supercede the other?
Can some kindly soul please explain or point me to some layman's resource that will explain. I have done the usual google searches but I am not an IT pro, just a keen amateur and the Sun resource pages just overwhelm me, I'm afraid.

Mitsuko Aninikkou · Post by **Mitsuko Aninikkou** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:10 am

So far as I know 6.0 (or 1.6.0) should supercede 5.0 (1.5.0).. But that's just off the top of my head, I don't really have any sources backing it up.

ViVa · Post by **ViVa** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:12 am

Java 6 is backwards compatible, if that's what you mean DLF.

DLF · Post by **DLF** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:12 am

@ViVa
@Mitsuko Aninikkou

Thanks. Seems we only really need jre6 then. Only the reason I asked was I was browsing RyanVM's bittorrent releases and he brought new versions of both these files out the same day as he released latest update pack. So I was unsure whether they had different purposes or not...

Post by **RyanVM** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:09 am

I did both only because I figured there may be some out there who still prefer JRE5 for whatever reason (kinda like how some prefer older Acrobat Readers)

DLF · Post by **DLF** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:09 am

@ RyanVM

Thanks Ryan, all clear now. I wish you would do a Nero lite switchless...any plans?

Post by **RyanVM** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:06 pm

I still use a stripped down version of the final Nero 6 release.

laur3ooo · Post by **laur3ooo** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:29 pm

We use Java for OOP course in school and when compiling some older code I get deprecation warning(s). Deprecation mean that some classes and such, which I use, will no longer be available/supported in future JDK releases. This is true for JDK, can't confirm it for JRE, but I'm pretty confident. However I use the same JRE an JDK (no reason not to). I also try to re-release older classes when JDK/JRE upgrades deprecates some of the features that I use.

What that technical stuff before meant is that Java 6 supersedes earlier releases however it deprecates some of it (very small parts, tiny bits for layman usage). Unless older Java is a must at work or is used for some specific scripting support for 3rd party applications, there is no need for older versions.

newsposter · Post by **newsposter** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:04 pm

there is and probably will always be some jave code out there that is hard coded to specific releases of JRE...

I've got loads of stuff that require jre 1.4.xx. It will run on 1.5 if I manually hack the respaths through. Easier keep the needed JREs installed than to constantly hack respaths.

laur3ooo · Post by **laur3ooo** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:52 am

newsposter wrote:there is and probably will always be some jave code out there that is hard coded to specific releases of JRE...

Which is generally not good programming practice. Anyway there is less fundamental difference between Java 5 & 6 then between 5 an 1.4...

shon3i · Post by **shon3i** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:03 pm

I use RyanVM java 6 from here http://www.ryanvm.net/msfn/, how to make that totality silent without extracting progress bar

Post by **RyanVM** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:12 pm

You can't with mine. It's the nature of the 7zip SFX module I use.

ricktendo64 · Post by **ricktendo64** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:34 pm

You CAN! edit the jre6.exe like you edit the 7zS.sfx file to remove the Extracting dialog... (but i suspect Ryan alredy edits his 7zS.sfx to do so)

But if you want the Installing dialog you have to make your own addon with the /quiet or /qn switch

cybpsych · Post by **cybpsych** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:31 pm

Ryan, is it OK for you to share your 7zip SFX module?

BTW, how small is your SFX module?

Post by **5eraph** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:56 pm

You can easily cut and paste the module from any 7-Zip switchless installer with a hex editor.

All 7-Zip archives start with the string "7z" in a hex editor. In a 7-Zip switchless installer the archive begins with the third instance of that string and the UTF-8 configuration text is just before it.

Ryan uses UPX on his installers, so you'll have to unUPX it first if you want to edit the dialog box.