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copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:00 am

I have a folder with files,
They take forever to copy to a USB drive. Explorer eventually hangs. Copy doesn't cmplete unless you wait an hour (lol).
If compressed beforehand, copies at normal speed (really quick).
More of a curiosity than an urgent problem... Any ideas?

EDIT: I believe its a (power) problem among all nforce motherboards. One solution was to use an independantly powered USB controller card via PCI-e.
see https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic ... 8&t=270700
and https://forums.geforce.com/default/topi ... d-crash/3/
and https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Fo ... rohardware
and https://web.archive.org/web/20110704092 ... roblem.htm

EDIT 2: Installed a powered USB 3.0 card into PCI-e x1 and inserted a USB 2.0 Stick and IT STILL LAGS WHOLE EXPLORER LIKE F%$& WHILE TRANSFERING FILES GOD DAMNIT.

What the hell is this problem???

Folder full of files = hangs
one Zipped folder full of files = super quick

If I pull the USB out during hang, explorer closes and restarts, this eror appears:
Image

See that directory? > > Harddisk1\DP(1)0-0+4\ < < This isn't even a real directory. There is some kind of proxy behaviour here.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by dencorso » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:36 pm

What're the versions of your machine's NTFS.SYS and zipfldr.dll?

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:51 pm

5.1.2600.5512 for NTFS

zipfldr.dll shouldn't matter, the problem is copying files in a regular folder.
The files were not compressed with zip to begin with fyi, I just compressed them to test, i.e. when zipped, same files transfer faster than if they aren't. Explorer is doing something funny...

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:52 pm

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by mooms » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:15 pm

Do you have an antivirus ? It may be related.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:35 am

No anti-virus running.

It worked fine before I re-did an nlite of SP3 to integrate AHCI drivers. Then I booted up that copy and made it main boot.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:45 am

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:01 pm

Tried alternative 'optimized' chipset drivers on fresh install of nlited XP, same thing happens.
Explorer goes unresponsive if you click cancel; the only way to get PC to respond is to unplug USB stick.
There are no reports of this particular USB stick failing online, so I'm left to assume its something to do with OS configuration and nlite.
Its just strange individual files hang explorer like this. Heres a video https://youtu.be/-n7ZTQh4Dhs
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:32 pm

Power isnt an issue; removed all other devices from usb ports and transfers are still slow. Tried alternative USB Stick too.

According to on post on MS forums, Background Intelligent Transfer Service being may be related.
I should try another nlite/XP image with BITS included see if that changes anything first.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by patrickjburt » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:45 am

Is it just the one usb drive or have you tried several?

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:06 pm

It happens on all USB drives.

An alt. nlite install with BITS intact concludes its not culpable, however I suspect another, also absent service
Performance Logs and Alerts service, may be.

I shall make image with this installed and see. Expect report within a day.

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm

Swapped motherboard for another and tried again, everything else is the same.

The files copy and eventually complete copying but it takes very long time, just not as long as it did on previous mobo.

Bloody weird I tell ya

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by mooms » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:01 pm

So you swapped for a motherboard with the same chipset ?
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:20 pm

Indeed. Latest bios on both.

Initially it was Intel based nForce 630i MCP73, Foxconn Irvine then I moved to AMD based nForce 710a MCP78, Pegatron Nutmeg. I was so pissed off at the constant crashes of the nutmeg it got smashed and Reverted to intel.
The only reason I like these is the plentiful features in mini-ITX format and that theyre cheap to populate.

I use XP due to the nature of the software I use.

I'm asking fernando on his forum to see if he can help. Within device manager for the AMD there was "nforce sATA controller" and driver was correctly showing. However on this intel, there is a Dual Secondary PCI IDE Controller with the Hardware ID of nforce SATA controller. No matter what .inf I apply to it, after restart theres still a yellow :!: . If I use the setup.exe it it detects the sata cotnroller and the installer for that particular driver shows, but after restart its still the default XP one. Both boards have SATA controller options in bios. They were/are enabled.

I'm about to test a third, older board AMD sockethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NForce4#n ... F410.2F430 , Asus M2N6-AR.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:03 pm

Okay so loaded up new motherboard. Its more stable, files can be copied but verrrry slowly. If copy is cancelled it doesn't crash explorer unlike before. I'm using some pretty early nforce drivers, not fernandos ones.

I opened System Event Viewer and Cleared all events then copied files to USB to see what errors are logged afterwards:

Code: Select all

A parity error was detected on \Device\Ide\IdePort2.
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk0\D.

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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by mooms » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:35 pm

I had a ASUS A8N Sli Premium (nForce 4 on S939) with Athlon 64x2, my first 64 bit and dual core CPU.
It was good on XP era, but not so much on Windows 7...

Before that, I had an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe (nForce2 Ultra 400), and even before a MSI K7N 420 Pro (nForce), both on Socket A (462) with various Athlon XP.

I was a big fan of these NVIDIA chipsets, they were stable and performed well.

Then I switched on Intel, i5 2500K on ASUS P8P67, and now i7 6700K on ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming.
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Re: copying certain files to usb hangs PC?

Post by shorterxp » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:27 pm

I didn't realise a USB stick consumed 300mA of power. There is a feature in Device Manager that lists each device consumption, to be sure I unplugged all but mouse and USB stick, the problem still persists.
I need to try an ALT power supply really. Current one installed is 250Watts, the default supply is 170 watts, I doubt it is the problem with this fact in mind.

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